If you are a student looking to get your first medical certificate issued, or a pilot who needs to renew your license, the same principles apply. If you have not needed counselling for a year or more (maybe less) and are not taking an antidepressant, get a note from your counsellor and take it with you to the appoint with the AME. https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/SAFE_PILOT_Testimony_july17.pdf. But missing information will simply cause delays and more work; the medical examiner and/or the FAA's Aeromedical Certification Division in Oklahoma City, Okla., won't process an incomplete form. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. Now, prostate cancer several years in the past with normal PSAs now is not a hindrance and the AME is instructed to issue the medical certificate. Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. A simple clerical error!!! They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. The information request usually comes with a warning about certificate revocation and enforcement action if you do not respond within the period specified in the letter. Some pilots are terrified of the FAA's power to revoke their flying privileges and, accordingly, bend or ignore the rules. Why do we have a federal bureaucracy policing such a low number of casualties? However, the general health standards to meet a drivers license requirement would seem to be a good screening source to id potential problems of health. Just do want everyone does to get into the military hide the truth. An aircraft is just another machine. Im not a Senior AME, Ive only been one for a year. Skye, If you have not required counselling for a few years and are not taking anti-depressants you should be good to go. Often it is not a case of pilots intentionally lying or withholding information that can get them into trouble, but ignorance of what they need to report. As a result, I had to take an EKG. Before treatment, when I was sleepy, FAA wasnt concerned. I would have assumed since this person had been flying for awhile, and flying solo that they would have imposed sanctions such as the ones discussed above. His career was essentially over with that arrest and he killed himself because of it. If its temporary, shaddup about it. Increasing the gross weight limit of the Sport Aircraft class is a really good idea. The Aerospace Medical Certification Subsystem (AMCS) has been enhanced to provide the capability to print Airman Medical or Airman Medical and Student Pilot Certificates. A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. So the Medical certification system is statistically, virtually, perfector..redundant AS LONG AS you are in a multi-crew aircraft. For over 50 years, pilots turned to Richard L. Collins for his unique perspective on the challenges and rewards of flying light aircraft. Reply. We report, you decipher. If you fly only pilot with family and friends, your Medical certification, whether with the AME/FAA or flight-to-flight, is about them. N I go to sleep. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? This is to screen for diabetes and kidney disease. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. Its a losing game. By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. Thank you for allowing me to share. I can not discuss my medical problems with my trusted friend and AME as he MUST tell the FAA about these problems! But Jordan also said: 'Folks need not be overly concerned about losing their medical certificate, as we end up disqualifying very few when you look at the total number of applicants.'. Driving While Impaired (DWI) from alcohol, drugs, texting and exhaustion is obviously a serious problem and every driver self certifies, there is no evidence in the National Traffic Safety Data Base, that accidents caused by preexisting health conditions and the medications used for their treatment, is a major problem. This is truly a Great Debate. Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. You never know what will happen to a pilot in flight with his medical conditions. What I think is if a driver goes to the DMV to go get his eyes checked then that drivers license should be his medical as his third class and it would save the government money because there wouldnt be as many pilots to go after it would just be the professionals. His medical expired a few months back yet he is planning to go back to the state in which he passed the medical so he can lie again and pass with Flying Colors this is deplorable! If the AME says that you do need to provide X, Y, and Z, get all of that together before going in to see the AME. The FAA Medical requirements need revision and made more rational instead of simply being a procedural nightmare for pilots. I could not stop thinking about being in the air. Its long and complex, but an occasional look at it, especially regarding your own health issues, is worth it. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. But, to the uninformed, it has an appearance of diligence. I would like to see how many incidents of NOT seeking medical attention, due to knowing that the FAA will pull their ticket, have led to problems. Risk is inherent in everything humans do whether they are operating a car, a boat, an airplane or a train. A manager at a Fisdo reported to CAMI that an airman was on medication and had a long hospotible stay. Special Issuance hoop jumping is expensive. When a government becomes oppressive, intransigent, and unreasonable, allowing no recourse beyond its edicts, eventually people react. I think the medical is about to date as traveling by the hose & buggy. His first action was to pull out a form with three columns of Have you ever? items each requiring a yes/no response. I had kidney stone surgery 12 years ago and over the last two years I passed two stones at home. If you cant pass the physical you need to find another way to fly. You know what, I think we should drown the FAA in paperwork in protest. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. Still there are occasional exceptions where a commercial or airline pilot dies in the cockpit. One had sleep apnea that resolved with weight loss and the other no longer has type 2 diabetes. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. The FAA can get your records from Social Security if you are on Medicare. Once everything is done and documented properly,they should issue the medical quickly. The standards are too strict and the FAA bases thier decisions (especially on medication) on generalizaitons instead of listening to the pilots and doctors. This is left bundle branch block which is a stop as far as the CAA is concerned. Commercial pilots, or military pilots or leisure pilots may have lied during their lifetimes, but it is unfair to only single out the pilots. I have sleep apnea and use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine. :). Willy post had only one eye should he have been grounded.??? In fact he asked me where did I see that I could make that attachment. People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. The FAA makes it clear what counts as a disqualifying condition. With a small investment of time and energy, in the beginning, it is possible to keep flying with most medical conditions as long as they are well controlled. Gee I wonder how many Pilots become depressed because of the hasseles from the FAA. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. AOPA and FAA have not really been a lot of help. We have an entrenched bureaucracy that refuses to relinquish power and money. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. When learning to fly originally I was not even made aware this nor the NPPL was available. If the medical dates are incorrect, please contact CAMI at (405) 954-4821. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. I was STUPID enough to be honest. You just hit a key to the problem. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. You do not have to be Richard Collins or Ernest Gann simply a GA pilot with a story youd share with friends sitting in the hangar. thank you, that will be $110. Most those fellas at the FAA seem pretty smart, but they must be pretty spineless too. Thanks,for the new online magazine. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. If you decide to undergo a physical despite questionable health, first gather all medical documents, such as a letter from your family doctor stating that a condition has been treated and resolved, and present them to the AME. Told the truth, The FAA took my license. So if there is cause, e.g a call to the FAA's hotline, an investigation will occur, and these will be seen and rather quickly. You tell me how can a lighting designer be daltonic? The issue is what we feel is important, because the government wants a complete history and providing it isnt possible and pilots are going to make their own judgements about whats truly important to fully disclose. I have a perfect driving record,clean medical history,and also a clean criminal history. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. It does happen. Yes the present medical sytem sucks but, its all we have until better management goes to Washington. The whole thing is about safety but the FAA has never proven the need for the medicals, especially the third class, it was just randomly instituted one day a long time ago. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! That is when the truth will come out. It may be that some of you folks are not involved as subcontractors to the Airframe manufacturers. I am 55. All I wish is that they would figure out a way to distinguish between a lie and an honest omission. Seems arbitrary to me. We should not be subjected to this inquisitional questionnaire in the first place. Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. All pilots know that after taking the physical they self-certify before every flight for the next year or two. Additionally, the one who was honest is punished. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. What objective proof can they present that Im actually depressed or for that matter no longer depressed that would otherwise qualify me for a medical? Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. To self certify? KL, This is why sometimes it becomes necessary to avoid telling the attending physician more than is necessary least the physician spin the whole condition in different light by making a mountain out of a mole hill, thereby destroying the flying career of the pilot for something that even the physician himself or herself is not sure about. May just you please lengthen them a little from next time? Fortunately with the airlines, there is always a second pilot capable of flying the plane. If you do have heart disease, you would have to continue to see your Cardiologist as well as your AME to maintain your medical. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? What makes an airplane as a machine so different. Find a Senior AME in your area, call and ask to speak to the AME about your problem. This is done by directly contacting you the pilot. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. To check the validity of the certificate, email a request to Aviation Data Systems Branch, [emailprotected]. There are folks flying with diabetes that are on insulin. In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. I hesitated to contact the FAA as I didnt want to deprive this man of his dream to be a pilot but the risk of harm to himself and to others was greater than His Dream so I sent a detailed letter. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. have you ever once in your life had and on the other hand they are so vague. PLEASE HELP How is THAT not a red flag to someone??? I know there are very experienced Senior AMEs out there who may have more influence with a phone call to Oklahoma City. I did years later and got totally cleared. If they say that you have a condition that requires you to be grounded, then fill out an 8500-8 medical form. Most of us fly for recreation and a burning fire within to fly, and the Sport program can be just the ticket. Have you asked AOPA to assist you with getting your medical back? G E King, None of the above activities has any significant medical requirement. The AME is there to help you get a medical LEGALLY when you have one or more disqualifying conditions. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. The FAA issues updates to the AME Guide on a monthly basis. Having people squeal on them? What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. Gordon, Ask your AME to call Oklahoma City and ask to speak with a physician about your case. The reader should always consult his or her doctor before discontinuation of any medication. In the end, it all worked out, but I was frustrated about having to locate records from retired doctors across the country-all because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind. While the bills in Congress to eliminate the Class 3 Medical Certificate are progressing slowly, the FAA is taking steps to minimize the bureaucratic red tape involved with certain illnesses, such as prostate cancer. Im old, crazy and hard of hearing bit like most experienced pilots I suppose. Re test. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. Such a persons private physician(s) might not think so, but those physician(s) have no say in the matter. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. Should I be worried? My AME is like a brother to me and a damn good doc to boot Lamentably, if I have something which could be a liability to me on my next medical, I can not ask my AME/best friend about my problem, and discuss it with him. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. Ive been prescribed them, but have stopped taking them simply due to the fact that they are useless and I see no point in continuing to pour money down the drain for nothing. Now I am only minutes away from completing my first flight medical form without any worries! I did not disclose my name or address when I created this account. Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. ALTHOUGH IF I HAD ONE LITTLE INKLING OF BEING UNSAFE I WOULD QUIT. good for 2 years. @Brian B. Water under the bridge now 19 years later. Ask those young people who posted personal info online and then got turned down for a job interview because of those posts they placed years ago. Im an AME. 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